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Hosted by Kevin Roose and Casey Newton
Produced by Rachel Cohn and Whitney Jones
Edited by Matt Collette
Engineered by Alyssa Moxley
Original music by Dan PowellMarion LozanoSophia Lanman and Rowan Niemisto
This week, with big developments in two antitrust cases against Google, we discuss how the company may be forced to change its business. Then we’re joined by the journalist Mark Yarm to discuss his recent visit to an underwater home for his article about techno-utopians who want to colonize the ocean. And finally, it’s tool time! We’ll tell you about our latest experiments with ChatGPT’s o3, Casey’s newest journaling practice and Kevin’s continued battle to get to inbox zero.
Tickets to Hard Fork live are on sale! See us June 24 at SFJAZZ.
Guest:
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Mark Yarm, an executive editor at PCMag and the author of “Everybody Loves Our Town: An Oral History of Grunge.”
Additional Reading:
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Google May Be on the Brink of a Breakup
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Google Is Illegally Monopolizing Online Advertising Tech, Judge Rules
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The Techno-Utopians Who Want to Colonize the Sea

Credit…Photo Illustration: The New York Times; Photo: Makhbubakhon Ismatova/Getty Images
Credits
“Hard Fork” is hosted by Kevin Roose and Casey Newton and produced by Rachel Cohn and Whitney Jones. This episode was edited by Matt Collette. Engineering by Alyssa Moxley and original music by Dan Powell, Marion Lozano, Sophia Lanman and Rowan Niemisto. Fact-checking by Ena Alvarado. Our executive producer is Jen Poyant.
Special thanks to Paula Szuchman, Pui-Wing Tam, Dahlia Haddad and Jeffrey Miranda.